OUWB Question about loop diuretics in heart failure and hyponatremia

Hi Dr. Topf,

I hope that you are doing well. My name is XXXX and I am an M2 at OUWB. I was just reviewing your Disorders of Sodium and Water Metabolism lecture again, and I have a quick question.

In a patient with decompensated heart failure presenting with hypervolemic hyponatremia, are loop diuretics appropriate here? While they address volume overload, is there a risk of worsening the hyponatremia? I know in the lecture you mentioned treating the underlying issue and volume restricting.

Great question.

The key to fixing the hyponatremia in these patients is fixing the heart failure.

Remember why the patient with decompensated heart failure is hyponatremic in the first place. The problem is not that they don’t have enough volume. They have too much volume. But because the heart is failing, the arterial circulation is underfilled. The kidneys interpret this low effective circulating volume as a threat and respond by retaining sodium and water. Most importantly for the hyponatremia, ADH is released despite the low serum osmolality.

So the patient retains water and becomes hyponatremic.

This creates what seems like a paradox: the patient is overloaded with fluid, but the kidney is acting like the patient is volume depleted.

The way out of this is to successfully treat the heart failure and restore effective circulation. And in a congested patient, that means getting rid of volume with loop diuretics.

But XXXX has identified an important wrinkle: loop diuretics change the composition of the urine.

Without a loop diuretic, a patient with heart failure and lots of ADH may make a small volume of very concentrated urine. A loop diuretic increases urine volume, but it also increases the amount of sodium and potassium in that urine. That makes each liter of urine less effective at getting rid of electrolyte-free water.

This is the concept of electrolyte-free water clearance.

Very roughly, what matters for the serum sodium is not simply:

How much urine did you make?

but:

How much water did you excrete relative to sodium + potassium?

So loop diuretics push things in two different directions. They increase urine volume, which tends to increase water loss and raise the serum sodium. But they also increase urinary electrolyte excretion, which means each liter of urine carries away less electrolyte-free water.

In most patients with decompensated heart failure, the net effect of successful diuresis is still favorable: they lose more water than electrolytes and the serum sodium rises.

But not always.

You absolutely can have a patient whose serum sodium falls during aggressive diuresis. This is particularly likely if the heart failure remains decompensated, ADH remains high, the patient continues drinking water, and the diuretic-induced urine is relatively rich in sodium and potassium.

But that possibility doesn’t mean you should avoid loop diuretics.

The main thrust of treatment is still to get the patient from decompensated heart failure to compensated heart failure. If they are congested, that requires volume removal.

And when you succeed, effective circulation improves. The non-osmotic stimulus for ADH goes away. ADH falls. The collecting duct becomes impermeable to water and the kidney starts dumping dilute urine.

Aquaresis.

At that point the serum sodium will correct.

So yes: use the loop diuretic.

Don’t let the hyponatremia scare you away from treating the disease that is causing the hyponatremia. Follow the serum sodium while you diurese, restrict water as appropriate, and get the heart recompensated.

Fix the heart failure → remove the stimulus for ADH → excrete the excess water → fix the hyponatremia.

OUWB Question about SIADH and volume status

Hi Dr. Topf,

I hope you’re doing well! I was reviewing S11: Sodium Metabolism, and I think I’m having some trouble understanding why euvolemic hyponatremia is non-edematous while hypervolemic hyponatremia is edematous. I was wondering if you could please help me correct my thought process.

Voume status is a total body sodium issue (more sodium, more edema)

Hypo- and hypernatremia is a total body water issue (more water more hyponatremia)

For euvolemic hyponatremia, such as SIADH, my understanding is that excess ADH causes water retention, which lowers serum sodium and plasma osmolality. The resulting osmotic gradient causes some of the excess water to shift from the ECF into the ICF. I was thinking that because the retained water is distributed between both compartments in the same 2/3:1/3 ratio, there isn’t a significant enough increase in ECF volume to produce edema?

Nope, these patients do not get edema and are clinically euvolemic, though if you put them on  scale they will be heavier, it is just that the extra volume is not clinically evident.

Where I become confused is with hypervolemic hyponatremia. I understand the example of heart failure: the hearts not pumping well, our organs aren’t getting perfused and so to increase blood volume we activate RAAS and ADH, causing retention of both sodium and water. However, if the serum osmolality is also low because this is a hyponatremia, shouldn’t there still be an osmotic gradient causing some of the retained water to move into the ICF, just as it does in SIADH? What makes the ECF expand enough in hypervolemic hyponatremia to produce edema?

With the increase in total body sodium all of that volume goes to the extracellular compartment, since sodium is an extracellular ion

However the retained water from the ADH does distribute across both the intracellular and extracellular compartment in a 2/3rds : 1/3rd ratio.

The ECF expands due to the RAAS induced retention of Na

I’m also confused by the statement that hypervolemic hyponatremia involves an increase in total body sodium. If decreased renal perfusion activates RAAS, and theres increased sodium reabsorption rather than sodium loss in the urine, don’t we see a net increase in sodium. So if there’s more sodium reabsorption I think I don’t get how this is a hyponatremia or is it considered a hyponatremia because even though there’s a net increase in sodium is the water increase out pacing it where the overall concentration is is low making it a hyponatremia?

There is increased retention of Na, that is what causes the hypervolemia, and there is a net retention of water, that is what causes the hyponatremia. Yes, the increase in water retention outpaces the sodium retention.

I feel like I’m missing something or thinking through this wrong somewhere so any help is super appreciated!

I think you get it better than you thought.

Thank you so much for your time and help!

Best Regards,
XXXXX

Occam Denied

Occam’s razor: when evaluating multiple competing theories, the simpler explanation of an entity is to be preferred.

Solid logic, but not infallible.

This week I took care of a patient with a serum calcium of 17.5 mg/dL. Calciums that high are almost always malignant in nature. But we did the internal medicine thing and ran the algorithm. First branch point, “Is this PTH dependent or independent hypercalcemia?” The PTH came back at 220 pg/mL. Primary hyperparathyroidism. Case closed…or not.

A calcium of 17.5 mg/dL is extraordinarily high for primary hyperparathyroidism. In fact it would have been the highest calcium I had ever seen in primary hyperparathyroidism. I learned as a fellow, that whenever you think “this is the worst case of X I have ever seen, consider that maybe it is not the worst case of X but rather a more pedestrian case of Y.” Maybe, instead of the worst case of primary hyperparathyroidism this was two diseases instead of one.

Hickam’s dictum: Patients can have as many diseases as they damn well please.

The workup revealed a kappa/lambda ratio of 250 to 1. The patient didn’t just have primary hyperparathyroidism. They had primary hyperparathyroidism and multiple myeloma (or MGRS, the bone marrow biopsy is still pending).

The myeloma amplified the hyperparathyroidism beyond reason.

When you see the most dramatic presentation of a common codition, don’t just marvel at its severity, but ask yourself could this be somehting else entirely?

Sometimes Occam loses and Hickam wins.